the truth is, and grover norquist has said this, sort of the high priest of republican economics and the tea party, they want to starve the government. they want to shred the social safety net. they lost the last election. they lost the last century. they'd like to repeal much of the new deal, much of the great society, get rid of hk reform. but secondly, the hypocrisy, and jared is right about this, is extraordinary. where did most of this debt come from? it came from bush's two unfunded wars, from an unfunded medicare prescription drug benefit, from the decision that -- the set of decisions that led to the bush economic collapse in 2008. if you put all that together, that's responsible for most of this debt. and by the way, the people who are now talking about spending cuts and we really have to reduce the size of government were the folks who brought us all that. >> but are you saying that as a political matter they're aware of the concern that exists among their constituents, people who call a talk radio program like mine, and they are using that as a subterfuge to get to what th